Do you really think saying that I'll go to hell would change my mind? Do you think that's gonna affect my reasoning? I don't even believe in hell to begin with. I mean, try and listen to a Christian evangelist telling you you're all going to hell because you don't love Jesus. Would you change your mind and convert to Christianity at that very moment? I doubt it. Because just by threatening me with your visions of hell, you sound much like the Christian evangelist.
And you say I'm not fully informed about the Quran? I studied the Quran. In fact, because of my skepticism, I studied it and tried to understand it more than actual Muslims. And I gave the translation on thet entry word for word, using the translator's own words (who is a devout Muslim). Heck, I even know a little Arabic, though not enough to actually translate it by myself. Admittedly, I'm not a Quran scholar, but I'm certain the one who presented the verse on the cBox certainly wasn't either.
And I'm not twisting it. I'm revealing the actual Muslims themselves who twisted the meaning of the Quran so they could claim the Big Bang Theory was in the Quran. Tell me exactly what I've twisted, and what relevant information have I left out.
I don't really see what I could've possibly twisted. In fact, I didn't even portray the Quran negatively (though I would've liked to). All I was saying is that it's not the Big Bang Theory that's in the Quran. Just simply that. The Quran didn't even make that claim. A Muslim with no real knowledge of physics, astronomy and the Big Bang theory attempted to.
And yes, Md is right. For god's sake (literally), defend yourself. Don't stumble and stutter stuff like "oooh, stop criticising us. Stop talking about our beliefs. It's not right. You're going to hell." If you think I'm wrong, tell me why you think I'm fucking wrong. Don't just tell me and not give me a proper reason. So far it's a bit like this.
"I think Islam is like this because of this"
"You're wrong."
"Why am I wrong?"
"Well, you just are. And you're going to hell."
"Can you at least tell me why I'm wrong?"
"Urm... You shouldn't question things. That's how they are. You are wrong. And you're going to hell."
"You said that before."
"You're wrong."
"Oh, okay. Whatever you say. I'm totally convinced by your argument. I will now perform the five prayers, and fast this month. Thank you for the enlightenment."
You hear the sarcasm there? You see how unlikely a non-believer would change his mind just because you told him he was wrong without actually telling him why?
Defend yourself. I'm giving you a chance here. Take it.
And besides, why can't I talk satirically? It's a critical device. It's pointing out what's wrong, in a more entertaining way. At least to me. And I'm sure some others, even believers, would be too.
Guset, I'm saying everything should be discussed. Religion, law of the country. And I haven't even talked about the law of the country yet. I guess if you think the two are mutual, I guess you're partly right. In fact, law of the country should be discussed more. I've just thought of that. Any lawyers or would-be-lawyers interested to take the challenge?
And you think I only follow my animal instincts? That's the most laughable statement I've heard all that. Well, right behind when you said I'm going to hell.
I'm actually reasoning here. I'm justifying why I don't believe in religion. I'm making my point, why I don't believe in Islam, why I say what I say. I'm actually being rational. The complete opposite of acting on pure animal instinct.
You, Guset, on the other hand, has immediately accused me of deception and personally threatening me with hell. You've acted on your instinct to damn any person who doesn't agree with your beliefs and try to dissect them accordingly.
There's a few who gets what I'm trying to say. I'm criticising religion, and I still believe in what I believe (or rather, I still don't believe in what I don't believe) but at the same time, I want to see Bruneians standing up for what they believe in. I want them to intellectually converse in a civilised manner (yes, satire is most welcome, but not meaningless insults), and make their point articulately.
Blabness is right. If you only resort to 'puny threats and lame arguments,' it's really quite hard to for people to take you seriously.
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hi there! first of all, i really enjoy reading your posts. its clear that you have v.critical opinions of society's mechanics and i totally respect that.
ReplyDeleteBeing a good Muslim myself, i must admit, some of your comments are hard to swallow especially when you've managed to single out Islam as being a complete farce. I must question your objectivity here as you've left out huge chunk of other mainstream religions. Yes, you don't accept the rationality of faith but there is no need to target Islam as a hoax. Your arguments are highly intellectual but don't let prejudice ruin it.
I'm not going to be so pretentious and start defending Islam as the ultimate truth because honestly, I have not studied the Quran but I am a firm believer in it.
It is really hard to explain why religion is such an enormous force in society. Most people just accept it into their lives and never question it's existence. It shapes the way we think, speak and conduct ourselves. We practice it conciously and sub-conciously
I think the spiritual appeal helps most of us to come into terms with different aspects of our time. Everybody who has a religion, strives to get into heaven and prays that they avoid hell. Religion presents a clearcut manual for acceptable behaviour. Imagine if everybody abandon morals which religion bears and replace it with science and ideology. Does the Nazis and USSR ring any bells? surely chaos ensues.
So which religion provides truth? i think that is subjected to the individual. I have certainly found mine. i dont really need to question religion's rationality because i do believe in a higher being. I mean, do you see the air you breathe?
As for the "insults" the locals have thrown at you, maybe you should ease up on the honesty. People just don't want their beliefs denounced no matter how true it is. maybe a little sensitivity helps? Peace all!
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ReplyDelete"(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire."
ReplyDeleteAl Imran Ayat 10.
"(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah; and these are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide."
Al Imran Ayat 116
"177 Evil is the likeness of the people who reject Our communications and are unjust to their own souls.
178 Whomsoever Allah guides, he is the one who follows the right way; and whomsoever He causes to err, these are the losers.
179 And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.
180 And Allah's are the best names, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His names; they shall be recompensed for what they did.
181 And of those whom We have created are a people who guide with the truth and thereby they do justice.
182 And (as to) those who reject Our communications, We draw them near (to destruction) by degrees from whence they know not."
Al Araf Ayat 177-182.
These are not my words but Allah's.
I agree with no14. I don't have to question my religion as it can't be discussed only by depending on mere logical or scientific reasoning.
And I'm just curious... why do you criticise Islam? Why are u so sceptical about Islam? And why Islam?
I just hope that one day Allah will show you the right path, Jason, whoever and wherever you are.
As a Muslim I am just reminding you...
"Surely my guardian is Allah, Who revealed the Book, and He befriends the good."
Al Araf Ayat 196
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